Lots of folks are down in the trenches fighting the "good" fight. Some siding with mum, some siding with dad and some siding with the unborn baby. I've heard arguments up the yingyang about why abortion should be legal and why it should be illegal. Yet very few ever get to the point and the point has nothing at all to do with the mum, the dad or the unborn. The point happens way before all this hoopla starts. It's all comes down to sex and sexual education. That's it in a nutshell folks. I know folks will still find something to argue about but at least the focus would shift to the real issue instead of fighting over what happens after.
I think we'd all agree that the majority of us fall somewhere in the middle of this fight over, well, concepts? Fighting over "Is the baby a person or not" or "an individual's body" doesn't solve the problem. It starts with prevention in order to preserve life. All those involved.
You can't have a baby without sex. Consensual or non consensual, sex has to occur before an egg is fertilised. So no people, the egg is not a person. Most pro-life religious groups advocate not only banning abortion but sex entirely. Excuse me while I have a good laugh. So, I have to get this straight in my head now. A woman, or 9 year old post-pubescent girl, gets raped and we say "Shame on you! You had sex! Accept the consequences of that action. We don't care if birth control would have prevented the baby, that's abortion too in God's eyes"
Now how exactly was that deduced? I haven't the foggiest. Birth control is taken in order to prevent fertilisation which creates the fetus everyone is currently fighting over. No fertilisation = no fetus and therefore, no abortion.
I keep seeing people spout statistics about how very few abortions are done due to birth abnormalities, incest, rape or the mother's health. That's true. What everyone fails to point out is the reason for 95% of abortions. I've got two words for ya. Birth. Control.
Most of the women who get abortions aren't teens, they are over the age of 25. The majority of these women either don't want to have a baby right then or can't afford to have a baby. So what happened to the condom? The patch? The Pill? Well I'll explain it to you. Sex ed classes in schools suck. It really shouldn't be classified as a sex ed class but should be called what it is, an anatomy class. All that stuff kids already had an idea about. She's got a vagina and he's got a penis. What is not taught is sexual education such as; birth control, the financial impact of children and effective parenting/communication. As we can see from several media reports, that just drives some parents batty. I don't see why it can't be a senior class for 17 yr olds who are past or at the age of sexual consent.
We've got a few million women who just know the basics of sexual health, birth control, the actual cost and psychological impact of having a child. Think back to what you didn't learn in sex ed class beyond the anatomy lesson. I know plenty of women who've never seen their vagina and are totally uncomfortable discussing anything remotely sexual. If a woman gets pregnant the first one who's blamed is the father of the child. If a woman gets an STD the person blamed is the man. Most women don't find out about an STD or HIV/AIDS until they've gone for a pregnancy test. Why is that?
Now ask yourself this question. How many women do you know ever take an active role in their sexual health by asking their partner to wear a condom or see their ob-gyn for birth control? It's not a man's total responsibility to make sure his female partner is protected at all times, women have to accept that responsibility also. That's how you lower the abortion rates and quite possibly HIV/AIDS rates because the 2nd highest category of cases is high risk heterosexual contact which accounts for about 80% of female infection.
Unfortunately, I don't think that will ever happen as long as religion continues to play a role in sexual health. Until that happens and until women take a more active role in prevention of unwanted pregnancies, STDs and HIV/AIDS. Do not expect to see any changes. Every pro-life/pro-chioce person who advocates against comprehensive sexual education is just as culpable in all the abortions they say they'd like to prevent.
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I'm all for adoption. I think many who are Pro Choice automatically believe everyone knows that they are for adoption and other options rather than abstinence and multiple births as they believe those who are Pro-Life are.
The fight becomes a narrow minded one focusing on who should live and who should die. No one should die. ALL life is precious to us. Unfortunately, you can't save everyone. There are babies who are born with irreparable defects and mothers who hemorrhage without the aid of assisted abortion. I say assisted because the body has the ability to naturally abort via miscarriage.
I know many hard line Pro-Choice folks find it hypocritical that some hard line Pro-Life folks who are "standing up for life" would rather kill the hypothetical mother. While the hard line Pro-Life folks see hard line Pro-Choice as being in favour to "choose" to kill an innocent. There is no in between with hardliners as they only see in absolutes. Black and White. No shades of gray. No solutions only battles and wars not yet fought. Everyone is strictly focused on death without offering a single viable solution of prevention that fits individual need.
There is NO one shot solution for everyone. Abortion should be handled by a case by case basis. It would help immensely though, if young adults were taught how NOT to get pregnant instead of how NOT to have sex. No one needs a manual on how to have sex. Put two young adults in a room and I'm sure they'll figure out by themselves what goes where. That's why it's always best to prepare for all outcomes.
If most young adults knew the emotional, physical and financial toll it takes to take care of just one (1) kid, I believe they'd be more sexually responsible adults running around. Classes shouldn't just focus solely on sexual mechanics and anatomy. Parenting and children is much more than that.
Most childless adults & teens see it more as, all I need is a job, they'll go to school at age 5 so how hard can it be? Here's a financial calculator: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/page?id=4019746
But really, you have to be an emotional rock in order to have kids. Parenting doesn't end at age 5 when school begins. If there was more information around about Parenting to prepare people for the shock.....but you know it's almost like screaming down a well sometimes talking about sexual education and responsibility.
Posted by: Tyni1 | July 31, 2009 at 05:09 PM
Well, based on the responses, I have totally, totally failed to get my point across.
" My response was to point out that your comment was fine as a personal opinion until you tossed in the LGBT community. We were not discussing the LGBT community but Abortion."
"you singled out every single gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered person as a supporter of abortion which is not true."
"you misconstrued the excerpt which was in favor of Gay Parenting."
Abortion tends to be an issue which is taken up in isolation to the other factors surrounding it. It's typically not spoken of explicitly, but shrouded in "Pro-Choice" language. Shouldn't Pro-choice should mean what it says? That you favor the choice between Abortion and Birth. As advocate for Life beginning at conception, I feel that Pro-Choicers don't advocate enough FOR the adoption choice. Pro-Lifers don't do enough to actually provide women with the resources to make choosing to carry life from conception to birth and beyond, easy. What does the LGBT community have to do with Pro-Life/Pro-Choice? When I saw the guest article on Gay Parenting, it struck me....and by now you know that I'm not politically correct AT ALL... that here's a community, that can't conceive within themselves. It's simply a biological reality. But I didn't mean that all were in favor of abortion, nor do I think all have the desire to have children. But those who do....could support adoption rights (in addition to gay parenting)...which could reduce the amount of abortions.
So I'm FOR life. I'm FOR birth. I'm FOR adoption. I'm FOR parenting. And I'm for LBGT adoption and parenting. Abortion should be remain legal, safe, and very rare. I am AGAINST abortion as birth control, and I'm just as much against the hypocrisy of not providing viable adoption options for those whose choose to birth life, and themselves can't raise the child.
I AM ESTATIC to find that a LBGT Pro-Life group exists. I'm even more estatic to read their slogan : HUMAN RIGHTS START WHEN HUMAN LIFE BEGINS. *This* is the point I was trying (rather badly it seems) to make all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Many in the LBGT community say they were BORN that way. That there's a gay gene. If this is true and can be identified before birth...
There are those who will step on caterpillars because they're not butterflies yet, and then there are those that will step on caterpillars because they're not going to become the kind of butterflies they like. Abortion ends life.
http://www.plagal.org/index.html
* Adoption.com
* American Collegians for Life
* Christian Gays
* Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League
* Consistent Life -- formerly the Seamless Garment Network
* Crisis Pregnancy Centers Online
* Democrats for Life of America
* Feminism and Non-Violence Studies
* Feminists for Life of America
* iGive.com -- iGive will donate money to PLAGAL for ing on their links
* Libertarians for Life
* Life for Children -- Search the web and help CPCs at once
* LifeNews.com -- Your source for all pro-life-related news stories.
* Natural Rights -- A Pro-Life Pagan Website
* No Violence Period
* Nonviolent Choice Directory -- Resources from around the world.
* PrideNet.com
* Priests for Life
* Rachel's Vineyard -- Retreats for Healing after Abortion
* Roe v. Wade: Years of Life Denied
* StandUpGirl -- Online support for pregnant girls
* Tell My Abortion Story -- Read personal accounts on both sides
* The Birth Site -- click'n'donate
* The Genetic Cleansing Project -- Source of news articles against abortion and eugenics
Posted by: WTR | July 31, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Sorry, I just had an epiphany after I wrote that. Something I had forgotten and suddenly remembered.
There are lots of GLBT folks who would love to adopt, they support adoption wholeheartedly. It is the religious groups who have banned and denied the GLBT community the opportunity to adopt. Citing sexually prejudicial and ignorant viewpoints such as pedophilia as a reason to ban.
This is why I said that you've made a statement without clearly understanding the lack of certain rights for the GLBT community. You are pointing a finger at those who, in some states, do not have the right to adopt due to those who share some of your viewpoints.
The GLBT community is also denied the right to Artificial Insemination and Surrogacy in some states which require a valid marriage, or allow same-sex unions but deny those other reproductive rights.
I know understand you use of the blog excerpt and your ignorance of the fact that the GLBT community is oftimes denied reproductive rights. That's why you misconstrued the excerpt which was in favour of Gay Parenting.
I am curious, however, how we got on this subject instead of the original subject of abortion. I noticed that most who are sexually prejudiced against the GLBT community tend to yank other misunderstood concepts to use as exhibits in support of their argument. I am hoping that was not your intent.
Donor Insemination Laws by State
http://www.hrc.org/issues/parenting/donor_insemination/donor_insemination_laws.asp
Custody Laws by State
http://www.hrc.org/issues/parenting/custody/custody_laws.asp
Gay Adoption Laws by State
http://www.hrc.org/issues/parenting/adoptions/adoption_laws.asp
Florida Gay Adoption Ban
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/25/florida-gay-adoption-ban_n_146323.html
Adoption Options for LGBT
http://www.hrc.org/issues/parenting/adoptions/2380.htm
Surrogacy Laws by State
http://www.hrc.org/issues/parenting/surrogacy/surrogacy_laws.asp?listpage=1
Posted by: Tyni1 | July 11, 2009 at 03:23 PM